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Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 12:41 am Offline
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Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:36 pm11269
2/10.

The last two weeks were okay. Not great but okay. This? This was a sh*t sandwich. It had no direction and everyone had to act downright idiotic for any little thing to work. It isn't the good kind of comedic idiocy, where one or two dumb conclusions lead down a funny road. It was dumb moment after dumb moment after dumb moment. Replace black people with zombies and it isn't even an attempt at comedy, it's an off-beat zombie horror film.

And that's a problem. There was no real attempt at comedy aside from Butters beatboxing except for that one f*cking joke. Everything relied on the old and terrible method if, "If we have people take something silly and outrageous SERIOUSLY, it's loltastic!"

No. No it isn't and it never has been, especially when simply there is nothing there to back it up. It was all in Cartman's head and by him YELLING GO GO GO OMG RUN YOU GUIZ he causes every event in the episode. There was nothing there in terms of a lesson or comedy, the parody was so thick it hurt, and in general it was a failure on every level.

Parker is a wonderful comedic writer when he gives a sh*t just enough without overthinking it. Here, I don't know. Did he just not care and go through this writing out the plot while forgetting that it's comedy? Because I didn't even crack a smile except at Butters beatboxing. I was mostly bored.

This was Family Guy level decision making in terms of writing. Take two topics, smash them together. At least there they do that for an attempt at comedy, and I get the feeling they're trying to make me laugh. Here? I dunno. I dunno what the intent was because it was dumb, unfunny, and plotted like Family Guy.

Only given 2/10 so it doesn't share space with the dregs, which were offensively unfunny while this was just half an hour I could have spent cutting myself with fossilized squirrel feces for greater effect.

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Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 12:48 am Offline
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Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:30 pm7
Terrible episode, didn't laugh once.

At first I felt cheated by the new SP format of only having 10 episodes per season, but after tonight's fumble I'm not even sure I wanna watch the remaining 7 yet to air.

Why are they suddenly so obsessed with Hollywood celebrities now? Every episode this season has either had, or directly referenced a celebrity. Pathetic.

The SP I fell in love with is long gone, it would seem. It was way funnier when it was just the 4 boys doing funny sh*t most kids do. Now Trey just gets his ideas off the drudge report and makes Cartman do all the heavy lifting. In short, SP sucks now and this episode is irrefutable proof...
Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 12:48 am Offline
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:54 pm5860Australia
As my IRL friend's boyfriend is addicted to tobacco, i think i'm addicted to the show. I don't like the show as much anymore but I still watch it. and oddly enough, he says he hates smoking but says he's addicted to smoking so he smokes anyway. DA FAQ!?

back on topic, maybe SP just likes pop culture references more than silly little kid humour. Maybe they know that we'll understand the pop culture references as we're older since 1999. or i have no idea. I usually am great at theories with why a show did something but frankly i've had enough defending. its becoming a DIFFERENT type of show. note i didn't say sh*tty. Different


EDIT:

after some thought.... i have to be frank. i usually hang around a show while it's sh*t because i know writers, like everyone else in the world, explore. I wouldn't mind a sh*t house episode every now and then but the crap that has arrived every week after week, i can;t flush my toilet anymore! It's bloody sh*t! i admit it! This entire last few runs have been just
DRAWL
and yes. i have blown up at an episode for the first time of my existence.



....and i still watch South Park, jesus wtf is wrong with ME!


EDIT:
looking at the other posts, i'm relieved to see i'm not the only one having a rant
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Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 12:54 am Offline
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:21 pm3
i guess I'm the only one who saw world war z (just earlier today, thank you very much Netflix.), and yet didn't watch a second of the Zimmerman (this word was in the spell check how sad) media circus(or any of those murder porn shows), and in my opinion this is a great episode( and the last one as well) its the definitive work on our nations media fear mongering.

keep them coming(only 7 left , what a rip.)


i also love the "RAISING THE BAR SEASON NAME."
Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 1:00 am Offline
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Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:36 pm11269
(ugly)Bob wrote:
As my IRL friend's boyfriend is addicted to tobacco, i think i'm addicted to the show. I don't like the show as much anymore but I still watch it. and oddly enough, he says he hates smoking but says he's addicted to smoking so he smokes anyway. DA FAQ!?

back on topic, maybe SP just likes pop culture references more than silly little kid humour. Maybe they know that we'll understand the pop culture references as we're older since 1999. or i have no idea. I usually am great at theories with why a show did something but frankly i've had enough defending. its becoming a DIFFERENT type of show. note i didn't say sh*tty. Different


You can make pop culture references funny. But going, "See? This is like that pop culture thing!" is what they used to crap on shows like Family Guy for doing. Now they do it, but while Family Guy at least did it to try and elicit laughs(though they'd fail), South Park seems to do so just to fill time so they can end the episode.

I'm old. I've watched the show since the start- the writing isn't better or smarter than it used to be. It hasn't evolved and transcended anything. From a comedic standpoint, it's gotten progressively worse, progressively dumber.

The jokes are less well constructed, the plot structures are sometimes nonexistent, characterization and development have slowly started to evaporate, the references are boring and royally unfunny.

If someone wants to say they prefer this sort of episode and this sort of comedy, I'd be baffled but I'd be okay. But the change in South Park's base writing isn't for the better in terms of comedy and it hasn't been for some time.

I am sick of the celebrities and the government and the movies and the pop stars and the blah blah blah. It's easy mode for boredom that they mistake for easy mode to success, and it sucks.

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Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 1:23 am Offline
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Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:42 am2
ANYONE NOTICE HE SPRAYED A RED LINE FROM THE CAN THAT SAID BLACK PAINT
Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 1:31 am Offline
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:54 pm5860Australia
ShaneHaughey wrote:
(ugly)Bob wrote:
As my IRL friend's boyfriend is addicted to tobacco, i think i'm addicted to the show. I don't like the show as much anymore but I still watch it. and oddly enough, he says he hates smoking but says he's addicted to smoking so he smokes anyway. DA FAQ!?

back on topic, maybe SP just likes pop culture references more than silly little kid humour. Maybe they know that we'll understand the pop culture references as we're older since 1999. or i have no idea. I usually am great at theories with why a show did something but frankly i've had enough defending. its becoming a DIFFERENT type of show. note i didn't say sh*tty. Different


You can make pop culture references funny. But going, "See? This is like that pop culture thing!" is what they used to crap on shows like Family Guy for doing. Now they do it, but while Family Guy at least did it to try and elicit laughs(though they'd fail), South Park seems to do so just to fill time so they can end the episode.

I'm old. I've watched the show since the start- the writing isn't better or smarter than it used to be. It hasn't evolved and transcended anything. From a comedic standpoint, it's gotten progressively worse, progressively dumber.

The jokes are less well constructed, the plot structures are sometimes nonexistent, characterization and development have slowly started to evaporate, the references are boring and royally unfunny.

If someone wants to say they prefer this sort of episode and this sort of comedy, I'd be baffled but I'd be okay. But the change in South Park's base writing isn't for the better in terms of comedy and it hasn't been for some time.

I am sick of the celebrities and the government and the movies and the pop stars and the blah blah blah. It's easy mode for boredom that they mistake for easy mode to success, and it sucks.

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You couldn't have had worded that better for me :)
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Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 1:47 am Offline
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Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:36 pm70
I was hoping South Park would be signed for another season...I'm starting to rethink that. Honestly, each episode this season has made me like South Park less and less.

I really can't bash this episode anymore than what has already been said.

Might want to start prepping the shows a bit earlier and double checking to make sure they're actually GOOD. This has been the worst season to-date.
Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 3:28 am Offline
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Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:11 pm78
2/10 and I feel I am being generous. I enjoyed "Jewpacabra" more than this train wreck!! Very weak episode :(

Come on, Trey and Matt! You can do so much better than this!! Please don't turn South Park into Family Guy!! :cry:
Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 4:15 am Offline
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:41 am2
Count me in the column for having enjoyed the episode.

I should preface this post by saying that I believe I'm a bit older than the average SP viewer. I was a senior in high school when SP debuted, and while I've been a loyal fan ever since, most of my friends stopped watching years ago. But that's exactly why I came to the forums this morning.

It appears to me and my wife that SP has taken a new direction, one with less gags and more social commentary. Obviously there has always been social commentary, but it was usually a lot more cheesy. Now it feels like they are trying to be more of a hard hitting and polarizing show. I was curious how the younger crowd (which I understand is the show's base audience) would handle such a thing, and its obvious that you guys aren't handling it well. To each his own.

However, they are hitting on topics that I am emotionally invested in. The hypocrisy of this generation being outraged by the NSA while non-stop posting every last thing they do, say or think on social networks. The older generation's obsession with calling out certain forms of entertainment for the over publicized violence in modern society. My generation's lack of understanding of things like Minecraft (which admittedly I had to read up on before last week's episode so I wasn't left in the dark) having to realize that they've become increasingly out of touch - only to find that the younger generation is coming up with some pretty damn cool ideas if we only take the time to give it a chance. And of course, this week's Martin/Zimmerman topic.

Racists across the nation were rabid with the idea that there were going to be riots and a full out apocalypse if the verdict didn't go in Martin's favor only to find that while there was anger from the black community there was also a strong amount of restraint with that anger and a willingness to move forward (shown at the end by Token being willing to "bump that sh*t"). On top of that there was the straight out calling the SYG law bullsh*t, and an honest example of what would've happened had Trayvon been white. Oh, and before I forget, it was very, very satisfying to see Zimm get the chair.

I can see why these episodes aren't for everybody, but week 1 had me in an honest discussion with teh early 20-somethings in my office, week 2 had me laughing for a solid 5 minutes when the show ended, and this week left me with a huge eye-popping smile. Keep up the great work, guys. I can't wait for next week!
Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 5:10 am Offline
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Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:02 pm34
Not guilty... seems to me that was made squeezed to talk about the subject in 20 minutes.

Guilty... felling that M&T imagination would take off but remained stuck, with an clever and same time unconfortable Law's criticism (subtil, by destroying the law's defense with the fact that the corpse can be pulled into your stay ground zone) on shot on Token moment.

Not guilty... one of the best places where a serious theme is exposed whit no mercy.

Not guilty... M&T deserves, unlike many and many artists who avoid to fight with it, recognition to be brave. They deserves cheers for their effort to put a finger on the wound.

Final verdict: Congrats! And Bravo!

PS: I am brazilian, had an cartoonist here named Angeli, who touched too on this issue at a very acid way. He surprised me one time with a growing white guy with his father revealing at a street going to sunset at horizon, unzipping his back with an hiden zipper: "Now go! But you are black." Cartman's mom could surprise us at the final episode moment with this. A SURPRISE moment.
Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 6:53 am Offline
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:18 am1
This has become preachy from a predetermined known social groups point of view, with established characters acting out roles of other stereo-typical characters in a pre-approved undesirable fashion in order to incite or illicit a predetermined set of 'approved' reactions from a focus group of ideologically aligned pink skins.

Previously this was not forced.

I have to laugh at the exasperated level of accepted ignorance perceived to be prevalent in already determined stereotypical social groups.

Because of all that heavy intellectual petting, some people might have been disturbed.

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Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 8:46 am Offline
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:13 am7
There was, at not point in the episode, a scene when I did more than crack a smile or two. Most memorable was when Cartman kissed his "wife" and when the woman died from the bus- though the latter was painfully obvious.

The WWZ parody, all I'm gonna say it came off like some thing Family guy would do. Good or bad, I expect different things from South Park.

As for Zimmerman, if they'd have at least told us in short about the trial's events for people who didn't follow the trial or don't live in America, maybe I'd have found all the jokes funny. However all the refrences there came really off and odd without it.

And Token, the last scene really felt like a reenactment of Tonsil trouble. But unlike then I didn't even feel symapetic for Token for getting shot- he was just so goddam stupid to forgive Cartman in the first place.
Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 11:09 am Offline
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I'm noticing something a bit peculiar: most of the fans hate this episode with a burning passion while the critics have a total boner for this episode. Call me crazy, but I think there's a chance M&T may have bribed the media so the public doesn't start losing interest in Cartman, as he's apparently the only thing they care about these days. Anyone else find the discrepancy between the fans and the critics bizarre?
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Re: *1703: World War Zimmerman* Post-Air Discussion PostThu Oct 10, 2013 11:10 am OfflineBoard Moderator
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I thought this episode was great. If anything kills the magic of South Park, it will be your negative attitudes.

If that were the case, the show would have died after the first season. The show has been around too long to die for lack of magic now.

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One other odd observation I made is how the hell did Lorraine (that ugly girl who was bullied in Butterballs) end up taking Jenny Simons' spot in the cheerleading squad?

That might be a reference to this news article.
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